Anonymous Attacks on the Chat Boards
March 8th, 2007
Lots of people have been sending me an article on the front page of yesterday's Washington Post called "Harsh Words Die Hard on the Web: Law Students Feel Lasting Effects of Anonymous Attacks." The relevant bits:
She graduated Phi Beta Kappa, has published in top legal journals and completed internships at leading institutions in her field. So when the Yale law student interviewed with 16 firms for a job this summer, she was concerned that she had only four call-backs. She was stunned when she had zero offers.
Though it is difficult to prove a direct link, the woman thinks she is a victim of a new form of reputation-maligning: online postings with offensive content and personal attacks that can be stored forever and are easily accessible through a Google search.
The discussion board in question is AutoAdmit.com, also known as xoxohth.com. A lot of what's there is indeed painful to read -- the immaturity, the viciousness, the stupidity, the patent falsehoods. It's frightening that these people are future members of the bar, and it's such a contrast to the MBA discussion boards, where the conversations are moderated (the "Rules of the Board") and remain much more civilized, professional, and on-topic. (On a related note: isn't it sad when discussion boards about Grey's Anatomy and American Idol are more civilized and thoughtfully moderated than AutoAdmit?)
I've had my own run-ins with law school discussion boards. I've seen people quote entirely fictitious conversations that they claimed to have had with me. And you can imagine my surprise when an admissions officer at a top law school (and friend) sent me a link to a thread discussing my appearance in X-rated terms. So I get where this law student is coming from, although the situation appears to be much more serious for her, because these numb-nuts are actually threatening her physical safety.
I've written before about the folly of posting things online that will come back to bite you when you're looking for a job, but what if other people are posting things that prospective employers will find? My first thought is that employers would be stupid to rely on what other people are saying or posting about someone, unless there's some reason to think their opinions are credible and they have the balls to identify themselves. As a society, we're still figuring out what the right recourse is. There are services like ReputationDefender. One can post rebuttals on discussion boards (I haven't been -- they just feed the beast) or take the matter up with the webmasters (that works with Wikipedia, but not with AutoAdmit). One could bring a defamation suit, although that can be a difficult way to go.
Do I think that the creepy and offensive discussions about this particular law student are actually hurting her on her job search? The article suggests that's the case, and she clearly thinks so. And maybe that's true. But don't assume that just because she got into Yale Law School that she's also great in law firm interviews. I once coached a Yale law student who came to me because he had a great record there but was striking out in his interviews and was having trouble lining up a summer associate job. That's the whole point of face-to-face interviews: to see if the person who looks so great on paper makes the same great impression in real life. Sometimes not.
I feel for this student, especially if there is in fact a causal link between what's being said about her online and her trouble securing callback interviews. We'll probably never know what the real reason is, but the story does demonstrate how vulnerable people are to online attacks over which they have no control and raises interesting questions about the moral responsibilities inherent in running discussion boards. It's easy to hide behind free speech, but just because something is legal doesn't make it right.



re: Anonymous Attacks on the Chat Boards
I can understand why you would have a vested interest in discrediting places like xoxohth - because they offer more accurate and more current information than you do. You can go onto xoxo and ask any question you want about anything from taking the LSAT to picking a firm to summer at, and get a great response from people who have just gone through it. The bigger xoxo gets, the less anyone needs you.
re: Anonymous Attacks on the Chat Boards
Thanks for providing a great example of the anonymous, unsubstantiated flaming that is typical on AutoAdmit/xoxohth. Some discussion board communities discredit themselves without any help from me.
Incidentally, if I were doing only those things in which I have a "vested interest," I would be telling every struggling, soul-searching twenty-something to go to law school, because that would (1) be easy and (2) mean more business for me. A good chunk of this blog goes against my "vested interest." Do the Washington Post, University of Pennsylvania Law School, law professor Brian Leiter, Above the Law, and Good Morning America have a vested interest in criticizing AutoAdmit too? Guess I'm in good company.
You're looking for reliable information on AutoAdmit? Here's a knee-slapping example from Above the Law:
"This afternoon, a document purporting to be a Milbank Tweed bonus memo appeared on the oh-so-reliable message board of AutoAdmit.com, aka xoxohth. It sparked frenzied discussion at both AutoAdmit and Greedy Associates.
We checked with our sources at Milbank. The 'bonus memo' is phony. But we give the prankster credit for decent execution."
http://www.abovethelaw.com/2006/11/associate_bonus_watch_the_milb.php
On the upside: the Kidz over at AutoAdmit have been driving my blog traffic way, way up all last night. And I mean *all* last night. Downside: You're young! Why aren't you out doing something more enjoyable than trolling discussion boards on a Friday night?
re: Anonymous Attacks on the Chat Boards
"Surely the State has no right to cleanse public debate to the point where it is grammatically palatable to the most squeamish among us. Yet no readily ascertainable general principle exists for stopping short of that result were we to affirm the judgment below. For, while [fuck,] the particular four-letter word being litigated here is perhaps more distasteful than most others of its genre, it is nevertheless often true that one man's vulgarity is another's lyric. Indeed, we think it is largely because governmental officials cannot make principled distinctions in this area that the Constitution leaves matters of taste and style so largely to the individual." "To many, the immediate consequence of [free expression] may often appear to be only verbal tumult, discord, and even offensive utterance. These are, however . . . in truth necessary side effects of the broader enduring values which the process of open debate permits us to achieve. That the air may at times seem filled with verbal cacophony is, in this sense not a sign of weakness but of strength. We cannot lose sight of the fact that, in what otherwise might seem a trifling and annoying instance of individual distasteful abuse of a privilege, these fundamental societal values are truly implicated. That is why ‘[w]holly neutral futilities . . . come under the protection of free speech as fully as do Keats’ poems or Donne's sermons’ . . . ." Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15, 24-25 (1971) (quoting Winters v. New York, 333 U.S. 507, 528 (1948) (Frankfurter, J., dissenting)).
And you, ma’am are neither Keats nor Donne -- no magnanimity, no ability, no power in thought.
re: Anonymous Attacks on the Chat Boards
Probably not such a good idea to hire Reputation Defender.
http://onlinereputation.googlepages.com/consumerprotection
re: Anonymous Attacks on the Chat Boards
Here's a follow-up article in the Washington Post from this weekend: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030902154.html?nav=rss_technology